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146 points by sammycage 17 hours ago | 38 comments
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phonon 16 hours ago [-]
It would be great if you could run it against the tests at https://www.print-css.rocks/

They would give a much better idea of its complex printing capabilities.

pac0 14 hours ago [-]
It should be required to run these tests for these libraries. It's really frustrating to have to discover it trying to make it work.
tannhaeuser 7 hours ago [-]
CSS coverage is stated in [1]. It should be required to do minimal assessment before entitledly posting on HN.

[1]: https://github.com/plutoprint/plutobook/blob/main/FEATURES.m...

tannhaeuser 7 hours ago [-]
Isn't the interesting part the CSS renderer PlutoBook (C++) rather than the Python wrapper here?
SigmundA 2 hours ago [-]
Yes definitely, its does the heavy lifting and is essentially a new from scratch HTML rendering engine.

It needs javascript support so charting libraries work but they mention working toward that in the roadmap.

It's more like PrinceXML than a browser. This is great Prince is the gold standard for HTML print out and the only engine to fully support Paged Media level 3 last time I looked. Normal browsers don't seem to care as much about full print css support so Prince has a monopoly here and is not cheap.

https://www.princexml.com

socalgal2 16 hours ago [-]
Maybe this isn't the same but it's a relatively few lines of code to use puppeteer to use an actual browser to render pages to PDFs/PNGs. Advantages would be everything is supported. Every new feature in CSS, HTML, SVG, Canvas2D, WebGL, WebGPU, etc... (though for WebGL/WebGPU you might need to pass in some flags to use llvmpipe/mesa/warp etc...

Asking your favorite LLM will give you da codez

PS: I'm not trying to discount this tool. I'm only pointing out an alternative that might be useful

sammycage 16 hours ago [-]
That’s a good point. Using Puppeteer or a headless browser gives you essentially full web platform support. The tradeoff is that it comes with a heavier runtime and more moving parts (Chromium, Node, etc.). PlutoPrint aims to be much lighter: no browser dependency, just a compact C++ engine with a Python wrapper. It does not cover the entire browser feature set but it is fast, portable, and easy to drop into projects without the overhead of a full browser.
nicoburns 15 hours ago [-]
Interesting. I was not aware of PlutoBook!

We're doing a very similar thing (custom lightweight engine) over at https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz. We have more of a focus on UI, but there's definitely overlap (we support rendering to image, but don't have pagination/fragmentation implemented).

Have you run the WPT tests against your engine to test spec conformance?

realitysballs 5 hours ago [-]
Excellent response
nutjob2 4 hours ago [-]
Your approach is also more predictable. Trying to figure out why Chromium is doing something strange with a complicated page is not practical, while a simple, lean package like this means you can look at the code, trace it and patch it if need be.
slig 16 hours ago [-]
Exactly what I was wondering. I use puppeteer to render these [1] printable puzzles pages, and I use SVG, JavaScript to dynamically resize the text to fit a page, etc. Just works.

[1]: https://ahapdf.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/samplers/logi... (PDF)

eterps 17 hours ago [-]
How does it differ from https://weasyprint.org ?
sammycage 17 hours ago [-]
WeasyPrint is great, but PlutoPrint takes a different angle: the engine is all C++, so it’s faster and lighter on memory. It can render directly to PNG as well as PDF, and has stronger SVG support.
masfuerte 15 hours ago [-]
PlutoBook looks very impressive. Is it based on another renderer?
skipnup 7 hours ago [-]
Doesn't look like it:

> PlutoBook depends on the following external libraries:

> Required: cairo, freetype, harfbuzz, fontconfig, expat, icu

> Optional: curl, turbojpeg, webp (enable additional features)

okm 15 hours ago [-]
This is so efficient, i just tested it ,far better than weasyprint, and it has both python and c++ repo, bro am amazed, Are you open for sponsorship?
leetrout 11 hours ago [-]
What OS did you test on? It completely crashed my python process on mac
sammycage 3 hours ago [-]
Thanks for the feedback. We’ve tested PlutoPrint on multiple platforms, including Windows and Linux, and it generally works well there. Mac-specific issues like crashes or empty outputs are definitely on our radar, and we’re investigating potential causes such as font handling, reverse mtime warnings, or system library differences. We’re also tracking bugs and improvements on the GitHub repo: https://github.com/plutoprint/plutoprint/issues. Contributions, bug reports, and additional test results from different environments are very helpful and appreciated as we continue to improve stability across all platforms.
edarchis 5 hours ago [-]
Tried it on Mac too and from Python, it just outputs an empty file, with their own samples. With the command line directly, it complains about reverse mtime /Library/Fonts.

This is the kind of thing that might be fixed with more people attempting to use it, or it could be another pita like having to install an old wkhtmltopdf for Odoo to use.

okm 2 hours ago [-]
It is working perfectly on my use case. On my Windows.
rrr_oh_man 7 hours ago [-]
That looked like an astroturfing account anyway
1 hours ago [-]
nutjob2 4 hours ago [-]
https://github.com/sponsors/plutoprint
Humphrey 15 hours ago [-]
Does anybody have any experience migrating to PlutoPrint from WeasyPrint? Is it seamless? Faster? Any teething issues? Are their reasons to stay with WeasyPrint?
47 10 hours ago [-]
This isn't theoretical. In my 20 years in retail and logistics, I've seen these libraries repeatedly fail in production. Real world examples include:

* Invoices: Totals get pushed to a new page with no repeated <thead> header. This is a classic failure of CSS table rendering across page breaks. properties like page-break-inside: avoid are notoriously inconsistent in browser print to PDF engines. Line items get split mid row because the engine doesn't understand the semantic integrity of the data.

* Bills of Lading & Manifests: These documents are infamous for unpredictable page breaks. One page cuts a row in half, the next duplicates headers, the next drops content entirely. This often stems from complex flexbox or grid layouts that the PDF rendering engine struggles to paginate deterministically.

* Shipping Labels: A barcode or QR code shifting by a few pixels is often a DPI or scaling artifact. The browser rendering at a logical 96 DPI doesn't translate perfectly to a 300 or 600 DPI thermal printer format, introducing rounding errors that are catastrophic for scanners. Addresses drift outside the printable area because CSS margins (margin, padding) can be interpreted differently by the print media engine versus the screen engine.

* Digital Forms: This is a classic failure of absolute vs. relative positioning. When you overlay HTML form fields on a scanned PDF background (a common requirement), the HTML box model's flow layout simply cannot guarantee pixel-perfect alignment with the fixed grid of the underlying image. I've seen teams resort to printing, using white out, and hand filling forms because the software couldn't align (x, y) coordinates.

* Tickets & Passes: Scanner rejection due to incorrect sizing is often due to the browser engine's "print scaling" or "fit-to-page" logic, which can be difficult to disable and varies between environments (e.g., a local Docker container vs. an AWS Lambda function with different system fonts or libraries installed).

This always turns into a long tail of support tickets. The only truly reliable solution is to bypass the HTML/CSS rendering model entirely and build the document on a canvas with an absolute coordinate system. This means using libraries like FPDF (PHP), ReportLab (Python), or lower-level tools like iText/PDFBox (Java), where you aren't "converting" a document, you are drawing it. You place text at (x, y), draw a line from (x1, y1) to (x2, y2), and manage page breaks and object placement explicitly.

It's not cheap. The initial build cost is high because every layout is effectively a small, “programmaticd CAD project”. You can't just "throw HTML at it". But the payoff in reliability is immense. It becomes a set and forget system that produces identical documents every time, which stops the endless firefighting.

Yes, two years later it can be painful to update when the original developer is gone. But I would take that trade off any day over constantly battling with imprecise, non deterministic tools. In twenty years of building systems where documents are mission critical, "close enough" rendering was almost never good enough.

aszen 3 hours ago [-]
Yeah exactly we were using fpdf heavily but now switched to Typst since its faster to iterate complex documents on.
hbcondo714 11 hours ago [-]
> book.load_url("input.html")

Shouldn’t this be a URL like https://example.com

Also, is there support for creating a linkable table of contents?

iamgopal 13 hours ago [-]
Comparing it to typst ?
sammycage 2 hours ago [-]
Typst and PlutoPrint serve somewhat different purposes. Typst is more like a modern typesetting language, focusing on fully programmatic document layouts with its own syntax, while PlutoPrint is a Python library built on a C++ rendering engine that converts HTML or XML into PDFs and PNGs. PlutoPrint’s strengths are fast rendering, strong SVG support, and integration with existing Python workflows, whereas Typst is great if you want a typesetting DSL with precise layout control from the ground up.
_giorgio_ 2 hours ago [-]
Hi, have you tested it with google colab notebooks?

Printing those things is really difficult. All the time I get split cells (with some rows not printed) and every kind of problems (like broken word wrap etc).

sammycage 2 hours ago [-]
Hi! We haven’t specifically tested Colab notebooks. They’re tricky because of dynamic layouts and tables, but simpler notebook exports to HTML might work better. Any feedback or test cases would be super helpful to improve support.
pac0 14 hours ago [-]
Does this support full flexbox styling?

What are the known issues or the unsupported css this library has?

sammycage 3 hours ago [-]
PlutoPrint supports a large subset of CSS, including flexbox for most common layouts, but it’s not a full browser engine, so there are some limitations. You can see a more complete list of supported features here: https://github.com/plutoprint/plutobook/blob/main/FEATURES.m.... We’re also actively tracking bugs and improvements on the GitHub repo: https://github.com/plutoprint/plutoprint/issues, and contributions or test cases are always appreciated to help expand coverage.
ge96 15 hours ago [-]
Might need this wkhtmltopdf being bound to bookworm
klaxce 14 hours ago [-]
I’m also looking at this as a replacement for wkhtmltopdf as well. I had reimplemented with Puppeteer, but it’s very ram heavy for the 200-500 page PDFs I generate. I’m hoping this renders what I need properly.
andrea76 9 hours ago [-]
The problem is that it's still using unsupported qt4 libraries
moelf 16 hours ago [-]
for a second I thought it's this Pluto (note)book https://plutojl.org/
richfreedman 15 hours ago [-]
Nice! I think that it would be great if this could take markdown as input, without having to convert to HTML first
sammycage 2 hours ago [-]
Interesting. I will give it a try. By the way, why is converting to HTML first a problem for you?